When I tried it in the past, I kinda didn’t take it seriously because everything was confined to its instance, but now, there’s full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere? Wow, I thought I heard there were some technical obstacles making it very unlikely, but now it’s just there and works great! I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really? I’m not sure how I didn’t notice this sooner. Was it really there for so long? With flairs showing original instance where video comes from and everything?
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I don’t even remember a time when PeerTube wasn’t federated. For as long as I’ve been using it, that’s been kind of the point.
I must be doing something wrong or using a shit instance cause I can’t find one at all but everytime I go to peertube (and I"m not searching just locally) I see like 3 videos get posted a day, most of which are videos about Lies of P or car videos. LIke there’s no content.
so…what am I doing wrong?
Either poorly-federated instance, or you look in the wrong place? Here’s a good one: https://peertube.wtf/videos/browse?live=false
Chatgpt is wrong BTW. But yeah its been there for a long time.
Why the fuck do people ask ChatGPT for shit like this? ChatGPT doesn’t know facts. It’s a magic 8-ball with more words.
Asking chatgpt can be super useful to get info. I just don’t understand why people don’t try to verify what it says before just re-posting like fact.
Take a look sometime at the top videos of [email protected] or https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos to see some great videos! Creators all over the fediverse.
One of my favorite videos on fedi: https://videos.elenarossini.com/videos/watch/2909e4a0-6424-4a74-a936-d15812268a3c
I myself host a peertube instance and its pretty easy to use.
How are PeerTube instances funded? I’d imagine that the cost of running an instance is significantly higher than a Lemmy instance.
Depends on the instance and activity levels. I run a very small one on my own, and it costs ~$10 each month for server rental and b2 storage.
If I was running it on a broader scale, it would start to add up, but I mostly wanted to help with federation and reliability, and that’s fairly inexpensive.
I have to say I think Peertube itself is good, but the content still isn’t there yet. Of course we all know that’s because there isn’t cash to be made on Peertube
Got me thinking about how YouTubers get money. According to a quick web search, YT pays $0.01 to $0.03 per view. So if you release 10 videos a month, you made $0.10 per viewer. But Patreon memberships are typically around $5.00 a month, equivalent to $0.50 per view in the same scenario. Of course Patreon will take a cut, but it is still a lot more money.
So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought. In this case, the only advantage of YT over PT is discovery, i.e. the number of viewers likely to find your videos in the first place (but there’s also more competition on YT, so…)
Creators upload videos twice, once for patrons who watch them ad-free and once for people who don’t want to pay. That way, people who don’t have money to spend on YouTube can still enjoy their videos and they get a little kickback. Youtubers don’t need Peertube to release videos ad-free, so it doesn’t really change much if Patreon is more than enough.
Furthermore, the inherent privacy issues with peer to peer video consumption (I can easily track what videos you’ve been watching by simply connecting to the swarm) and the huge hosting costs a moderate sized Youtuber would inflict make the premise rather silly.
I think Peertube is great for small channels and maybe for corporate videos within an intranet, but Peertube can’t afford a moderately popular Youtuber.
Some good points I hadn’t considered!
Some instances have different ways of making money. TILVids for example shares money from donations with the creators. Theres also support buttons that help creators out. As well as ads on some instances as themes. Most are just nonprofits trying to do good in the world.
Its not as popular for the same reason your on fediverse, the interface allows anyone without ads to see your videos. The insentive does not always need to be $$, it most cases, its community building.
Counter point: I dont want to watch content that has a monetary incentive behind it.
Same, and it’s weird to me that so many people now believe that they deserve to be paid for participating in their hobbies.
Why exactly do you think people create content for you to consume in the first place?
Sharing knowledge. Lots of people are not primarily motivated by greed.
That’s great to aspire for but there’s still an almost total lack of content in many genres I enjoy on YouTube. I don’t even think PeerTube has progressed as far as the Lemmy community in terms of content availability. Admittedly this is probably because text and image content is much easier to create, but as a user I don’t find much reason to spend time there yet.
So if you don’t want a monetized model, there is still a need to have another solution to the lack of content, and I haven’t seen one yet.
What kinda stuff do you like on youtube?
https://lemmy.wtf/post/15810205
(thanks again to @[email protected] for maintaining this awesome list)
Not the person you’re asking, but I mostly watch craft stuff, particularly 1:12 scale dollhouse miniatures and sewing. The most recent video I could find that was even remotely relevant is several months old and about a different kind of miniature.
What content have you produced for free? Do you consider yourself greedy when you cash your work paychecks?
I know first hand that making content is a lot of work
I’ve made and shared plenty of 3d models for the 3D printing community. People can certainly make it a job, and that’s perfectly reasonable. But, I will never be interested in a community of for-profit model makers. If their goal is to make money off me, it’s not a community, I’m just a customer. The point of the community is to learn and share information, to help people and be helped in return. If that time is ‘work’ for you, don’t do it. Or make content and sell it on YouTube, do what you want, I’m just not interested in it.
Should teachers stop making money too?
Of course not but some may do free workshops just because they feel it may help their community.
I don’t work for free either but if my neighbor needs a new alternator or cabinet door fixed I will help/ show them how to fix it.
Most creators just ask voluntary donations for very few exclusive or temporary exclusivity
Makes sense
Also the iOS app is pure shit. Can’t even filter by language.
I asked ChatGPT
Why do people bring this up every fucking time?
Because they know it’s not accurate and explicitly mention it so you know where this information comes from.
Then why post it at all?
Because they’d still like to know? it’s generally expected to do some research on your own before asking other people, and inform them of what you’ve already tried
Asking ChatGPT isn’t research.
AI seems to think it’s always right but in reality it is seldom correct.
Sounds like every human it’s been trained on
No, it sounds like a mindless statistics machine because that’s what it is. Even stupid people have reasons for saying and doing things.
If those people are inaccurately spouting ‘facts’ from some article they can barely remember, yeah that’s pretty much exactly the same output.
Why post anything? Because they wanted to, the same way you posted something that you felt was worth adding. For me it wasn’t adding anything. Nonetheless I answer you. Because I wanted to.
Buddy, it’s nap time. Catch you in a couple hours when you’re feeling better.
A nap does sound good.
People also say they googled, unfortunately
Not the same thing.
google allows for the possibility that the user was able to think critically about sources that a search returned
chapGPT is drunk uncle confidently stating a thing they heard third hand from Janet in accounting and then taking him at his word
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John Smith wrote at 12:28 on Friday
Peertube is actually developed by a transphobic communist who turned my daughter gay. Boycott!!!
At this point, ad blocker is pretty much mandatory for me, just like how antivirus software used to be a decade ago (probably more)
PLEASE DISABLE YOUR AD BLOCKER! We use the revenue from annoying you to feed our starving CEO!
Can’t wait for them to be starved. Does installing two adblockers speed up the process?
They are? This is why you use a pop up blocker…
I love that fair and balanced opinion. I hope he is running for an office I can vote for. /s
but at least your drunk uncle won’t boil the oceans in the process too
noone boils the ocean with using chatgpt
one transatlantic flight produces the same amount of CO2 as 600000 ChatGPT requests; if you use Quen 2.5, you need to make nearly 2 mio. requests.
To set this in relation, transport only for Bezos wedding in Venice equals about 54000000 ChatGPT requests.
Using a LLM once in a while is negligible.
How dare you, my drunk uncle is completely capable of boiling the oceans! He was even boasting about it at our last family dinner!
Unfortunately now Google is ChatGPT. It provides its own shitty AI answers, and its search results have been corrupted by an ocean of slop.
I assumed it was bwing used the current common usage for using a web search, like how kleenex is used for any facial tittle, not literally Google the search engine.
Speaking of literal, Google is putting Gemini results before search results, not using chatGPT.
People before ChatGPT thought critically of things on Google as much as they do ChatGPT today.
People before facebook thought critically of what they saw on the news as much as they do facebook today.
Sure, people didn’t think about things too much at any point in time and sources aren’t always perfectly reliable, but some sources are worse than others,
You’re giving people using google too much credit.
chapGPT is drunk uncle confidently stating a thing they heard third hand from Janet in accounting and then taking him at his word
Also you: “why do people bother to mention when information comes from ChatGPT”
Ai’s provide you with links so you can use your critical thinking
Do you click on the links?
If they are links from the search, isn’t that just the same thing as doing a regular search and verifying the results?
What does this extra layer add other than an unreliable middleman who is extremely inefficient?
But don’t you see? It allows the corporations to insert their opinion into the answer and bias you before you click that link. That’s better right?
You are correct. AI can give an a completely different answer than its source and they can just blame it on AI. This is true but Google has sway the results given depending on the individual. Obama talks about this and how it contributes to the extreme divide of people of the US.
It steals content from creators while being worse for the environment at the same time. Not the same thing, it is worse.
I worked in education in computer science and basic usage in nearly every age group. When you realize how bad people are at using search engines, you can see why people think they accomplished something using AI. It’s like giving a child a calculator saying he can do math now.
Creating search prompts itself is a skill. You wouldn’t think so until trying to teach some one logic through search prompts. It is hell, literally my hell. Some people just don’t get it like 0 percent.
Differentiating what is a good source and what is a bad source is an even harder skill. People will believe what they want to believe. Google search adapts to the bias of individuals because it keeps people searching. This is why, even though it isn’t perfect, engines like duckduckgo are important.
Honest answer? It’s easy and it won’t judge you for asking stupid questions.
Edit - people are replying as if I said I do this. I’m sorry for the confusion. I don’t. This is why I see other people do it. When it comes to the general population, most people don’t care, they just want easy.
Search engines and Wikipedia don’t judge you for asking stupid questions either.
Almost all content has been hyper-optimized to rank well on Google, not to provide good answers for humans
You’re right, but they take actual thought and effort. People who use chat gpt don’t wanna do that.
No it’ll just hallucinate shit that’ll make you look dumb when you go and state it as fact.
Yep, agree. That’s why I don’t personally use it.
Because people are dumber than chatgpt.
It also proves we don’t have a 50/50 split in intelligence. We need to look at the mean, then we’ll see most people are just plain fucking dumb
Also, lazier. I’m more likely to stick with information from the first 1-3 search results I decided to click, while AI will parse and summarize dozens in fraction of time I spend reading just one.
I think it’s because it causes all of Lemmy to have a collective ragegasm. It’s kind of funny in a trollish way. I support OP in this endeavour.
what do you mean? it’s like being angry that people bring up I googled something
Googling at least until fairly recently meant „I consulted an index of Internet”. It is a means to get to the bit of information.
Asking ChatGPT is like asking a well-behaved parrot in the library and believing every word it says instead of reading the actual book the librarian would point you towards.
Well now it’s as if half of the books in the library are written by the parrot. The librarian doesn’t know the difference, and keeps trying to make you speak with the parrot anyway.
I use it instead of search most of the time nowadays. Why? Because it does proceed to google it for me, parse search results, read the pages behind those links, summarize everything from there, present it to me in short condensed form and also provide the links where it got the info from. This feature been here for a while.
And it still gets shit wrong.
It’s all good, Lemmy users are strongly anti-ai and are genuinely learning right now that chatgpt, mistral, perplexity etc can search the web
Let’s just keep adding more and more layers like a game of telephone!
What do you mean?
Go ask chatGPT
We aren’t any a. I. We just ain’t lemmings.
I use a I as an inspiration. That’s all it is. A fancy fucking writing prompt.
You use AI for writing prompts? That’s pretty cool, a lot of people use AI for writing prompts, a lot of writers say it’s great for getting rid of writers block
google: I checked the listing of news sites to find information about a world event directly from professionals who double check their sources
chatGPT: I asked my hairstylist their uninformed opinion on a world event based on overheard conversations
I mean a moron could find the wrong information from google and your hairstylist could get lucky and be right, but odds are one source provides the opportunity for reliable results and the other is random and has a massive shit ton of downsides.
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John Smith wrote at 12:28 on Friday
Peertube is actually developed by a communist who turned my daughter gay. Boycott!!!
Lots of legitimate concerns and issues with AI, but if you’re going to criticize someone saying they used it you should at least understand how it works so your criticism is applicable.
It is useful. Chatgpt performs web searches, then summarizes the results in a way customized to what you asked it. It skips the step where you have to sift through a bunch of results and determine “is this what I was looking for?” and “how does this apply to my specific context?”
Of course it can and does still get things wrong. It’s crazy to market it as a new electronic god. But it’s not random, and it’s right the majority of the time.
It skips the step where you have to sift through a bunch of results and determine “is this what I was looking for?” and “how does this apply to my specific context?”
Right: it skips the part where human intelligence and critical thinking is applied. Do you not understand how that’s a fucking problem‽
It might be wrong more often than you think
IS wrong
Ftfy
In this study they asked to replicate 1:1 headline publisher and date. So for example if AI rephrased headline as something synonymous it would be considered at least partially incorrect. Summarization doesn’t require accurate citation, so it needs a separate study.
OK but google (or ask your AI?) about AI accuracy. This isn’t the only source saying theres a problem with the answers.
chatGPT: I asked my hairstylist their uninformed opinion on a world event based on overheard conversations
LLM’s have been able to search the web for a few years now
The main one outside of ChatGPT is https://www.perplexity.ai/
You can also look at hosting your version with Local LLM’s:
Looking up a list of resources that you then evaluate yourself is very categorically different from getting an “answer” from a bot.
Wanted to say: No, according to Wikipedia global search launched in 2020.
But that actually was 5 years ago, damn.
2018 is 7 years ago is fact that haunts me everytime I come across any “7 years ago” YouTube video
Getting older… There’s a creaking in my bones… 2020 was 5 years ago…
Don’t listen to them 2020 was like last year. Also the 90s was ten years ago don’t let anyone tell you different.
I never experienced the 90s…
You’re only 10 years old?!
I see the delusion takes precedence. I respect it.
My kid turns 17 next year. I can still feel him as a baby snuggling and sleeping on my chest, he was so tiny.
Nothing drives home the march of time like seeing that.
Wow! I can’t even imagine that… It sounds a little depressing, but also really awesome and a true privilege to witness someone grow up.
When I hit the mid-40s, I realized I was running into at least five things a day that turned me into the “man ages 50 years in five seconds” meme from the end of Saving Private Ryan.
My experience hasn’t been as smooth. The global search seems dependent on instances, some are better than others. And playback across instances is hit or miss.
With that said, usage entirely local to the instance is flawless and speedy, which is nice.
You asked ChatGPT and thought it gave you a correct answer…? 🤣
For real though, Peertube is awesome now. Live streaming works a treat, so many plugins and add ons that make it great. Not to mention it now has its own app which is great.
It did give the right answer…
Any interesting video recommendations?
I think some urbanism/public transit-related channels are in the PeerTube, like RMTransit for example.
RMTransit will stop making videos though, he and NJB talked on the Urbanist Agenda podcast about it.
Not my experience, still hard to me to find good quality and interesting contents on it. A problem i don’t have on pixelfed, so it’s not about the lack of algorithm
Yeah, it’s not really all that deep in content yet.
Looks promising though
Is peertube compatible with owncast. Like can you see owncast streams on peertube
Just wondering how can you earn money on peertube? There seems to be one channel dominating the site Transport Evolved.
Most people have Patreon or Kofi or any other external donations system
Not everything has to be about earning money.
Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
True, but in order to make it a healthy viable alternative to centralised platforms then there needs to be a financial incentive for creators to use peertube. I guess any creators who give a shit about this kind of thing could upload their content to both platforms, but doing so could have an impact on their YouTube earnings.
Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
It was also a novelty as it as very new, but the quality of content being put out now is significantly higher than it was in 2005.
I would say the production values are significantly higher, but the quality is significantly lower.
you can’t really… being federated and no ads kinda ruins that idea as it is hated by many
With sponsorships, like on YouTube?
but after youtube has taken it’s cut and share of the creators there isn’t much left. This is the chicken and egg situation
