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Why the fuck is Kiwi Farms still not taken down?
Ofcom began investigating 4chan over alleged violations of the Online Safety Act in June. On August 13, it announced a provisional decision and stated that 4chan had “contravened its duties”
How on Earth did a UK government office determine that a foreign entity is subject to UK laws? On the surface, this seems like extreme ignorance and stupidity on the part of Ofcom. Shameful.
Edit: ‘an Ofcom spokesperson told 404 Media. "Under the Online Safety Act, any service that has links with the UK now has duties to protect UK users, no matter where in the world it is based’ – https://slashdot.org/story/446052
Holy fucking shit they really are that ignorant. What an embarassment.
I mean GDPR does this as well this but it’s EU derived law which has the backing of 27 countries as well as the EEA. That’s why the rest of the world takes it seriously.
The UK thinking it is on the same level is just delusional arrogance.
GDPR does this as well
I don’t understand what you’re referring to with the word “this”. What is it you believe the GDPR does as well?
The GDPR applies to any professional or commercial activity which involves the processing of the data of EU citizens.
There are a few caveats, but yes - the GDPR does apply outside of the EU.
It really doesn’t, though. Unless the company running the website has a presence within the EU – which means it ceases to count as “outside” – there’s fuck-all the EU can do to enforce it.
The EU isn’t trying to extradite or kidnap offenders in non-EU countries, after all.
the GDPR does apply outside of the EU
What do you mean exactly? What do you mean by “apply”?
Bro thinks he’s Jordan Peterson
Why are you making fun of yourself?
Anyway, “apply” as in the official definition of apply which gets used in courts.
If you out here asking the definition of every single word used, you aren’t arguing in good faith. Just like Jordan Peterson.
Fine companies in other countries for failing to uphold the law when working with citizens protected by said law.
Fine companies in other countries
Firstly, then GDPR is legislation, it can’t act in the world, like fine people. I presume you’re referring to the EU and not the GDPR.
Secondly, the EU has no power in “other” countries, by which I presume you mean non-EU countries. It’s not possible for the EU to fine companies in non-EU countries. They could issue a fine but they have no power to enforce or collect the fine. The non-EU companies can quite legally just laugh at the EU and give them the finger.
Your original comment was about the UK overreaching and policing companies from outside the UK how to do things. You got a reply on how the gdpr does the same thing (please, no one actually implied the legislation itself starts sending out emails, have the basic decency to understand the implication that it’s the EU and UK through GDPR that are pursuing things legally).
It’s not possible for the EU to fine companies in non-EU countries. They could issue a fine but they have no power to enforce or collect the fine.
I don’t know why you seek to make the distinction between “fining” and “issuing a fine”, the point was the UK is not the only one trying to do it. Whether it’s successful or not is not the point. Also they can totally enforce the fine by restricting those businesses from doing business within their territory until they comply. I don’t know how you could get it more wrong.
the point was the UK is not the only one trying to do it
I don’t see any evidence of the EU trying to do with the GDPR what the UK is trying to do with the Online Safety Act.
they can totally enforce the fine by restricting those businesses from doing business within their territory until they comply
That’s sanctioning, not enforcing a fine.
And yes they can do that but that’s not what Ofcom is talking about. Ofcom have explicitly stated that foreign citizens have “duties” under UK law. The word “duty” has a very specific meaning in English law, in fact it’s really one of the most basic concepts. It means there is an obligation on someone and if that obligation is not fulfilled then courts have the power to take action.
Sanctioning a foreign citizen doesn’t imply an obligation. There can’t be an obligation because a foreign citizen, by definition, is not subject to English law. Ofcom is claiming that foreign citizens are subject to English law.
I don’t know how you could get it more wrong.
LOL
Yeah man they have an obligation(duty) to uphold British law when dealing with British citizens, how’s that hard to grasp.
