• Spacehooks@reddthat.com
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    6 days ago

    My current knowledge based on previous comments is jedi are Allowed to bang but not love individuals

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      5 days ago

      It’s more like ‘not commit their life to one person.’ Jedi are encouraged to love, but forbidden to prioritize an individual over the greater good.

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          4 days ago

          I would argue that Eros is perfectly fine with the Jedi. In the novels and comics, Jedi have sexual relationships all the damn time. Padawans regularly have trists with other padawans, Jedi have one night stands, all kinds of stuff without fear of being expelled from the order.

          I don’t think there’s a clean way to apply the Greek loves here really. It’s more like they’re forbidden from going too deep into philia? Ultimately ‘Attachment’ is not a kind of love, it’s a fear, and fear is the enemy of all Jedi. If you can love someone without being afraid to lose them, then there’s no issue, but that’s obviously an incredibly difficult concept. That’s why it’s easier to just keep some level of detachment from others.

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            4 days ago

            No, there’s not a “clean” way, I agree. There’s not a specific “romantic” category in there, but I would say that romantic love would be between eros and philia. And they’re allowed either one of those, but both combined would lead to devotion towards one person instead of the institution / greater good.

            But I would agree that sexual lust would be closer to eros and that that would technically be fine for a Jedi, as long as it’s not infatuation.

            Basically, Jedi rules is hooker rules; fuckings fine, but no kissing on the mouth.

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        5 days ago

        Not wrong. The concept of “don’t ever form meaningful relationships/attachments/commitments apart from towards the cult” is pretty sociopathic.

        While in the OG materials the Jedi are portrayed as this perfect society, that’s changed a lot in Extended Universe and newer shows. It’s quite a flawed concept, the Jedi Order.

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          4 days ago

          Most of the OG stuff was written before the prequels introduced the ‘no attachments’ rule, but after that they were pretty much only ever portrayed as dogmatic and deeply, deeply flawed.

          It hasn’t been until the recent High Republic material that any level of understanding has been shown regarding what ‘attachment’ is supposed to mean. Obviously the prequel Jedi have a messed up view of it, that’s the point, but there is a fundamental basis from Buddhist philosophy that is completely valid.

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          4 days ago

          The concept of “don’t ever form meaningful relationships/attachments/commitments apart from towards the cult” is pretty sociopathic

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            4 days ago

            I never relized that the Jedi are the Catholic Church. Kinda weird symbolism that in Star Wars the main opposing forces are the Catholic Church clerics vs the Nazis.

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              4 days ago

              Ouch that hurt me more than you probably meant it to.

              But you’re damn right.

              Pope VS Hitler