A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance. One side will attempt to “just live”, but the intolerant side is incapable of “letting live”, and they will not stop until they replace tolerance with their system of hate.
Sure, but since orgaanised religions can’t help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I’m fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can’t ‘live and let live’ they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
But what undeniable good thing comes from religion? It’s not just that they have the potential for destruction and hate, it’s that those are the only possible outcomes
We could get unions, consumer protections, housing and food and other necessities guaranteed. We don’t, but we could. Politics is just trying to solidify how things are run. Obviously easily can be used for abuse, but can be used for good. Religion from the first step is to tell you how bad of a person you are and how to resolve it: join a cult, deny personal responsibility for anything and put that on whatever deity or subject for hate at the time, all your answers should be sought through your religion and not outside sources
You’re making a lot of value judgements without a whole lot of evidence to back them up. My point is perfect atheist: religious movements are a type of politics with certain aims (not exactly unions, but incidentally communion, charity, etc). It is you who are saying that religion is somehow a special phenomenon who puts them above other ways to organize society…for the worse. Maybe you think that it is because it is irrational and metaphysical. There is plenty of metaphysics in the form of utopias (heaven) in politics, saints/prophets (cult of personality). You just say that bad comes out of religion, but not out of politics…yeah…ok.
Not denying bad comes from politics, especially in regards to the US, clearly we are seeing a lot of awful things that can come from politics, and religion likes to play politics as well. I am and will continue to refuse that religion is capable of producing good will, change for the better, or anything outside of bringing forth hate and destruction
The majority of the secular world are atheists. Don’t pretend like it is some small subsection just because you live in a bubble of whatever religion you were born into.
Atheism has never been used as the justification for a genocide - can any major religion claim the same? It’s obviously an extreme example, but at the same time it’s not entirely unreasonable to feel superior when comparisons like that are so easy to make.
I’m sick of religious sex freaks forcing others to adhere to their puritan fetishes
We need to ban organized religion
Or just live and let live…
And trickle down some economy while we are at it
We’ve tried that one.
if that was an option we would not have to have this discussion.
A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance. One side will attempt to “just live”, but the intolerant side is incapable of “letting live”, and they will not stop until they replace tolerance with their system of hate.
Live and let live is pretty much the antithesis of organised religion
Why should we? They don’t let us live.
Sure, but since orgaanised religions can’t help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I’m fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can’t ‘live and let live’ they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
Meh, I consider religions as political movements. When they go crazy fundamentalist, try to take over and become destructive, sure, shut them down.
But not just based on their future potential to turn destructive, that can happen to any ideology if the conditions are right.
But what undeniable good thing comes from religion? It’s not just that they have the potential for destruction and hate, it’s that those are the only possible outcomes
What undeniable good thing comes from politics?
We could get unions, consumer protections, housing and food and other necessities guaranteed. We don’t, but we could. Politics is just trying to solidify how things are run. Obviously easily can be used for abuse, but can be used for good. Religion from the first step is to tell you how bad of a person you are and how to resolve it: join a cult, deny personal responsibility for anything and put that on whatever deity or subject for hate at the time, all your answers should be sought through your religion and not outside sources
You’re making a lot of value judgements without a whole lot of evidence to back them up. My point is perfect atheist: religious movements are a type of politics with certain aims (not exactly unions, but incidentally communion, charity, etc). It is you who are saying that religion is somehow a special phenomenon who puts them above other ways to organize society…for the worse. Maybe you think that it is because it is irrational and metaphysical. There is plenty of metaphysics in the form of utopias (heaven) in politics, saints/prophets (cult of personality). You just say that bad comes out of religion, but not out of politics…yeah…ok.
Not denying bad comes from politics, especially in regards to the US, clearly we are seeing a lot of awful things that can come from politics, and religion likes to play politics as well. I am and will continue to refuse that religion is capable of producing good will, change for the better, or anything outside of bringing forth hate and destruction
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Why did we get refugees from r/atheism? rolls eyes
The majority of the secular world are atheists. Don’t pretend like it is some small subsection just because you live in a bubble of whatever religion you were born into.
Bro I don’t believe in God either. To be honest sometimes I wish I did.
Regardles my problem isn’t with atheism but with specifcally Reddit Atheism
Ew, when did we get reddit’s cringy appeals to the audience talking past the original poster in an ineffectual attempt to throw shade?
People did that on forums before Reddit.
Ah, preachy and unoriginal. Noted.
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Atheism has never been used as the justification for a genocide - can any major religion claim the same? It’s obviously an extreme example, but at the same time it’s not entirely unreasonable to feel superior when comparisons like that are so easy to make.
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A: that is not what I said
B: So the crusades were what, then?