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I’m loving Pewdie’s redemption arc
i don’t want to watch pewdiepie, can someone explain what’s his beef here
Just downloaded it and skimmed by frames… Seems to be a list of reasons to degoogle. Mentions privacy, security, and how Google is extending fingers into everyone’s privacy by browser, password manager, wallet, phone, etc.
Guy’s an ass, but if this gets people on board with degoogling then good for him.
Really didn’t like him when he was younger, he was a naive swedish kid that didn’t realize that the dumb shit he said online had ramifications because his audience was so big. He helped platform Ben Shapiro to a younger generation when he had him on his channel for a video, he had that scandal where he said the n word, and then of course the clip where he says the glass ceiling doesn’t exist. It’s clear to me he didn’t realize the cultural and political ramifications of that stuff in America because he was never really exposed to it growing up in Sweden, and he was a cocky 20 something that thought he knew everything.
I hope these days he’s realizing how idiotic some of that shit was and is actually trying to use his platform to make his viewers aware of valid issues rather than spouting off about topics he knows nothing about to his viewers who take his word as truth.
I’ve never watched him (I hated him when he would just scream at video games) but he seems to be a lot more mature these days. He even posted a video on why you should switch to Linux recently
Heartbreaking: one of the most deplorable people in the world made a good point.
I mean I don’t really consider him a deplorable person… He was a dumb edgy teen 15 years ago that happened to strike a cord with the overwhelming amount of dumb edgy teens on youtube, and strike it rich. I haven’t paid a ton of attention to him, but from what I saw of his linux and gadget crafting videos, it sounds like he’s grown up a fair amount from his days of scream streaming.
If pewdiepie is one of the most deplorable people in the world you know of. You must live in some kind of alternative universe and in paradise.
The president is pewmypie? I had no idea!
The enemy of my enemy or some shit.
Calling this guy an ass shows that you have no idea who he is. You’re probably the type of person who thinks they’re well informed but exclusively get their info from echo chambers like Lemmy.
🙄
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
How are you going to do that advertising using one of their products? He has 100M followers and he’s a multi millionare, he should close his youtube account and move in another platform
Good point. People should only advocate for dgoogling on platforms full of people who have already degoogled. It’s stupid to try and reach people still using Youtube.
I disagree. Things seem to get worse when the herds move to them. It’s as if things are good precisely because they aren’t there.
He switched to linux a while back. Now he’s trying to switch as much of the rest of his digital life to FOSS/non-profit stuff. He advocates for duckduckgo, firefox, paid email, graphene os, selfhosted vaultwarden, nextcloud, anything but google maps, kodi, etc.
Just throwing this out there, you can open the video and expand the description and there is a button you can click on to view the transcript of the video and then you can just copy that out into a text editor or read it right there
That boy doing so much work for privacy and linux communities. I love it!
Imagine if some big influencers like him switched to peertube, that would be quiet a thing indeed.
Even just mirroring.
Is there a tool already that makes it easy to upload to both? Idk, I haven’t uploaded a video since like the 10s
I think there’s an option to sync PeerTube channels with YouTube channels in the backend.
I think there are tools that do that, yeah
This is the first time I have seen someone reference the decade as the 10’s and I feel weird about it.
The 20’s last century seemed cooler.
It felt weirder to me a few years ago. But over time a just vaguely identifiable character for 2010 to 2019 has emerged when I think of that decade.
Wait for it, I bet a whole bunch of people mentioned it in the comments of this one. That will probably be the topic of his next video. Although I’m hoping for stopkillinggames.com.
Any influencer that relies on YouTube ad money won’t make the full jump.
Other than that, they’ll very quickly find out that keeping a video focused service running and serving 10k views daily (300k/mon) is very expensive both in storage and bandwidth.
actually for big youtubers, ad revenue from google isn’t all that huge afaik. i’m going only on the LMG breakdown they did, but they only get 26% of their revenue from adsense… that’s no tiny share of course, but i wouldn’t call it completely catastrophic to loose
You can look any youtuber up on socialblade and see their earnings range. It’s not small which goes to show his diversified stuff must make a shitload.
you would have to factor in the amount of traffic that exposure from youtube gets them for those other monetary functions to get a real sense of how valuable it is to be or not be on that platform. Definitely feel like ethics should always come into play though and a lot of creators are branching out with hosting themselves or patreon/etc.
They don’t make a large share of their income from yt ads I believe. Most is from sponsorships etc
The big youtubers rely on sponsorship money way more than ad money. But sponsorship money is dependent on viewership numbers, so that is the main issue
It still baffles me why anyone likes him in the first place tbh
I can kinda see it, though he’s not my cup of tea. I like my videos a bit more essay-like and a bit more serious mode.
i get it, and don’t mind seeing him these days, but I don’t seek him out.
Same here. There were times where my eyes went up just hearing mentions of the guy, but nowadays, there are some videos I kinda enjoy watching (rare but yea)
I think they are the only people able to do something like that. Hosting videos is expensive as … you know. But if someone can do it, its them.
How about LBRY? Do you think it’s a sane alternative to YT? I also think peertube is the true freedom, though, I was surprised how quick videos load on odysee
LBRY is cool but I’m honestly sketched out by the creators that currently exist there. It’s mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots. Also between the first and most recent times I played with it they added a CDN that hosts all of the files and something like 99% of the data I downloaded while farting around on there came from that single official CDN, so very decentralized.
Peertube has actual large creators who aren’t weird conservative podcasters, and tons of different servers already which serve content, and great Mastadon integration which puts it in a much better spot for growth moving forwards than LBRY. You can literally watch peertube videos from Mastadon (Which has millions of active users including some celebrities and government officials) and comment on them from Mastadon, so there’s kinda already a userbase measured in millions depending on how you classify cross-fediverse users
mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots
Maybe yeah. In fact, the only video I’ve ever watched on LBRY is from a YouTuber named Mental Outlaw
I though (not sure if I remember correctly) LBRY is basically dead after the lawsuits. The network was overtaken and is basically another corpo shait…
Can we stop with the narrative that corporations and celebrities are doing good? This guy is 110 Million people away from doing something for privacy and linux, once he makes 110 million and one person switch to linux or using a youtube alternative he will have done some work in the positive.
I mean… glass half full or half empty… You can appreciate how enthusiastic he was about it and how many people saw the video, or you can just complain… Btw. if he should do more, it will be the positive feedback he gets about it, not the negative one which is just demotivating…
Accurate once again
so much better
Correlation is not causation.
Three R’s to deGoogling: Reduce, replace, remove.
I would say start by changing your browser and search engine (lots of options out there today), and then set up your own domain for email hosting so you can try different providers.
There isn’t another YouTube with all that content out there, so that one is tough, but you don’t have to 100% de google, 50% is still good. 15% is still good.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Pobodies nerfect…
Despite the lack of content we should mention peertube any time possible to increase knowledge of it, if nothing else
Your own domain, but you’re safer not hosting your own email servers in general. Just wanted to be clear for anyone reading this. If your mail server is down you don’t get mail 🫠
I ended up using a service that isn’t Google for that with my own domain
And soft lock yourself… log in to the DNS portal you need 2FA from your email… while your email is having DNS issues lol
Your own domain for email hosting is a massive pain in the ass. Have you not run into a million problems with other hosting providers refusing you for possibly spam?
Self hosting an email server is a pain in the ass and I don’t really recommend it.
Buying your own domain and using it in whatever email provider you want is very easy and gives you ownership over the email address. You may switch providers freely without needing anyone else to do anything.
I wasn’t self hosting. I was just talking about your own domain, which caused me serious problems when flagged for spam.
Edit: I’m guessing it’s easier nowadays but I still carry that pain lol
That’s not an issue with a custom domain name, but one of the other parts you run into, SPF and DKIM dns settings being correct and the reputation of whatever SMTP server’s ip address is. No one spam-bins based just on random domain names, or every business would freak out. You can also use your own domain on Google, Microsoft, or Apples ecosystems, not that you need to, there are plenty of providers that will host your email. I like runbox.
Oh shit is that what the issue was??? Thank you for explaining! I thought it was literally blacklisted like that. I told those worthless dumbfucks to whitelist my domain and that shit just kept happening—and they made me do all the work every time. It was exhausting and frustrating. I’ll look into runbox, thanks again.
I wonder if there might be some super common spam tlds like .xyz or .ru or something, but generally, yeah, custom domain isn’t the issue. Some other options are Migadu, mailbox.org, mxroute, and Tuta all seem like decent companies. A lot of others “also do” email hosting, like porkbun and OVH. Plenty of companies host their email with all these companies and have mostly clear sailing without being spam binned.
Didn’t try to host a domain myself yet, but having it set up with Proton has given me zero problems thus far.
No, not I don’t self host my email which is where a lot of the trouble comes from
I don’t remember having any issues with it ever. That was a concern so I did slowly transition to the custom domain
I stopped doing it because I kept getting rejections from Microsoft from my property manager and some other important stuff. Drove me nuts.
Nebula is an option for some content creators but it is subscription based.
Wish more creators would move to Nebula. I joined on Grady from Practical Engineering’s recommendation. His stuff is great.
I haven’t quite figured out how to use PeerTube yet.
My own domain?!? Any suggestions??
Whatever name fits your fancy. Go with solid registrars like Namecheap or cloudflare.
Once you get your domain, you can use most any email provider to handle mail for that domain. Fastmail is really good. Or proton if you want the encryption.
Gotta also recommended porkbun for a registrar, had a great experience with then.
Porkbun + runbox here. Domain and email together cost less than $30 a year. You can use the domain for free with GitHub pages or cloudflare for a free website too.
I personally picked Mailfence, but I saw both runbox and mailfence are really good. Tho Mailfence is a bit more expensive
That’s pretty much my setup, it is not super hard to get working, it’s basically just copying and pasting the magic numbers they give you
Get something on .com or .net. Vanity tlds will piss off reputation services. And make sure you set up spf/dkim
Other reason is the renew fees for special tlds are so unpredictable. Com is surprisingly cheap to renew.
Furrysmurfporn.ai is available
set up your own domain for email hosting
cannot recommend this enough!
- register your domain through something like porkbun
- get an account with someone like mxroute.com (i am a fan, but not an affiliate or anything)
- enjoy pain-free email for the rest of your life
I think it’s ironic that the alternatives to Android (graphene, calyx) only fully work on Google phones.
Ditch Google
Step 1: Send them money
Used phones: exist
Users who constantly repost this same comment: “doesn’t look like anything to me.”
Used pixel actually limit a lot the choice. I’ve not dived into de-googled phone yet but from what I understood postmarketOS seems like the used/old phone OS
Writing this from a degoogled Pixel 4a bought second hand for 80 bucks a couple years ago. Great camera, enough storage, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack, fits in hand and pocket. This thing is close to perfect, new phones are scam.
Where did you get it?
Not OP, but Swappa.com is an excellent website for buying used tech at a good price.
Kleinanzeigen (Germany)
LineageOS works on a bunch of non google phones
I’m running lineage os on a Motorola moto g7 power (2019) Android 15 runs fine on a 6 year old phone.
Thise are just different flavors. I need a pixel 8 pro xl equivalent device that runs linux natively. All thw postmarket phones are ancientx
That isn’t really true especially with Calyx OS
Same reason it continually sucks to get a working Linux build on an apple laptop or desktop.
As bad as Google is, they’re lightyears ahead of Apple in terms of protecting their products in a walled garden.
Really? What’s your favorite custom ROM for modern iPhones?
I’ve never investigated for iPhones but would be curious
- if they exist
- how bloody hard they are to get going
I can only speak for laptops/desktops and it being a bitch.
There’s a reason I’m very adamant at hating Apple for a multitude of technical reasons. This is but one of them. It’s a shame too because their build quality is really S-Tier.
Doesnt calyxos also work on fairphone
“work” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here when talking about a Fairphone. Worst phone I ever owned with quite some margin.
I would get a Nokia flip phone but they cost a bit. Cheaper to get something someone is throwing out
Download the video before YouTube takes it down. I want to see that site flooded with reuploads if they do.
It will stay up. Do you know how many YouTube videos there are badmouthing Google? They don’t care so long as you’re watching them.
All I know is they took down the ones by LTT and Jeff Geerling, I can only assume it was due to the larger audience those two attracted. Now imagine PewDiePie…
Linus did 3 videos on “how to degoogle your life” and only 1 was taken down. That one told people how to circumvent YouTube’s platform and monetary system which violated the community guidelines.
I don’t care about his content, but I downloaded for historical preservation. If you’re willing to watch can you explain the beef?
I just use down sub to pull the transcript from his video It’s only 60% as annoying.
He has the normal privacy versus cost worries which are reasonably valid. Then he rambles on, plugs a product that he’s shilling that’s unrelated to the subject matter, says he’s replacing Google search with a local LLM, does some hot takes on alternatives, does some reasonable takes on some alternatives.
To be honest, this is probably the least helpful de-googling video I’ve seen, other than the fact that he’s a major influencer and is telling everyone they should be doing it.
this is probably the least helpful de-googling video
I don’t think it was supposed to be particularly helpful. It’s more of him sharing his passion with his audience. Which isn’t going to be interesting if you don’t care about him.
Entirely fair, I generally can’t stand him, hence just reading his caption data :)
He hit the mark on a few things but his hot takes were pretty hot.
Upload it to Framatube and other YouTube Alternatives
If it stays up, it’s certainly going to be interesting seeing the difference in view counts between it and his other videos.
Dude’s having an interesting life trajectory
Er. ‘I am done with Google’. Watch the video on YouTube…
I mean where else is he going to reach the most YouTube/Google users?
For Pewdiepie this makes a lot of sense, he was literally the top youtuber. But uploading also somewhere else (no exclusivity required) needs to become mainstream yesterday. We have technical colleges far from the US posting educational video content for a website embed on youtube only, it’s madness 😅
Exactly!
Where would be a general purpose place to use as the second platform? Something that’s easy to use (and ofc not even more immoral than youtube, so not rumble or things like that).
A lot of the better creators are on Nebula. I don’t think they’d take Pewds though.
Nebula is like netflix, not youtube
Fair enough, but I was saying in the “this should become common practice” sense. I don’t think anyone can just post there since it’s owned by the creators, so you have to join them, it’s a package deal.
Peertube would be my choice, thanks to p2p one won’t burden an instance if a video gets too popular. Just found a nice interface to find a good instance as a videomaker depending on topic, requirements, etc: https://joinpeertube.org/instances?profile=video-maker
As with the rest of the fediverse, autonomous institutions like universities should ideally have their own instance or join a collective. Embeds get the same p2p benefits and they seem super easy to implement
I always thought it was a federated kind of platform. Not really p2p. Why do you need an instance if its p2p?
It’s p2p between the watchers, but files are hosted on a server (an instance of Peertube). With just one person watching a video there’s no p2p, only server-client.
“I’m done with capitalism” he writes on a phone paid for with 😧 MONEY 👻
Hey, it could be stolen.
and trying to get on the grift train of hating google. seems like hes some what desperate to comeback to yt, trying to recapture old glory days, of course all that sweet money comes with it.
What exactly is the grift of suggesting Foss over Google? You think he’s getting kickbacks? And if you just mean the “grift” of getting paid for YouTube videos… I mean, if people are watching it and it’s good information is that really a “grift”, seems like just getting paid for giving good information. Better than the majority of YouTube.
I like how Lemmy somehow still finds negativity here. Never change lmao.
An internet celebrity in the millions of followers is going FOSS. Cheer up. On the downstream, this may bring Lemmy more users and put more visibility on open software.
Throwing it out there - I am tired of left always acting as if something done decade ago was still fresh. Pewds changed, he flipped his whole video formula, and even back then evil things he did were at least questionable. Let it go folks. You are doing nothing else than making yourself look like bitter old people.
Edit: I noticed it’s not obvious what I am talking about. Other comments. People constantly talking about how Pewds is a nazi.
Other than hearing his name, I’ve never seen any of his content, nor do I know any of his lore. If in fact, he once was and has now changed his core convictions, then great. I have no issue with anyone who changes their minds in light of new evidence, or after taking inventory of one’s life, and deciding a new route. Both are commendable. Lord knows we’ve all done some shit in the past that was definitely cringe…I know I have. But we grow, and we learn, and in the process we become better human beings.
He never was. When teenagers used to scream n-word for shit and giggles, he was monetarily incentivised to do stupid stunts. No belief behind, other than to have a laugh and jump in views. When he crossed the line and was critised for it, he backed off, apologised and learned from his mistakes.
But people love draging it out each and every single time he does anything, be it good or bad.
This is the far left people talk about when they say cancel culture or some shit. Some people are so miserable, they want everyone around them miserable too. Qq
Hm, I’m not sure about that. There was a point in time where he was - even outside his videos - engaging with Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk. Echoing their philosophies and world views. The alt-right was using him and his platform to lure teenagers in. It’s possible that Felix did not even realize what was happening there. Or he was brainwashed himself for some time.
The important thing is that from 2019 onwards he clearly distanced himself from any of that.
Almost everyone at that time was engaging with those two. Matter of fact many loved elon musk. I get the point tho.
There is the expected amount of negativity in the comments, but also more positivity than I expected.
I watched the video. I am not really a fan of the style, I don’t agree with all of the content. But damn, a big influencer is using his reach to talk about retaking privacy and control in your online life. It can be such a difficult subject to pitch without sounding crazy. I think the video existing is great and pushes general awareness in the right direction.
… what?
they’re responding to other comments, like about Pewdiepie being a nazi.
… what?
He literally never did anything evil or bad. This is a myth that was entirely created by the far left, who falsely call everything fascist, despite never watching his content.
So is he a nazi or not?
In short, a bunch of years ago he did some stunts for publicity that put him in a bad light. And don’t get me wrong, he deserved criticism back then. But it quickly became apparent that it wasn’t his view, but just that - a publicity stunt, something to drive algorithms etc, and he also apologised for it and what’s more important, didn’t make similiar shit afterwards.
So no, not a nazi. In the past you could call him edgy or something, alas even that doesn’t really fit as he didn’t do this all the time. But people saw he is popular and saw what he did and decided that no matter that these were one-offs, he must be a nazi, secretely harbor a shrinet o Hitler and all that.
Ok
Do you want to continue posturing and fishing for confirmation from other edgy teenage minds, or do you want the answer?
? I want the answer. I am not sure if you are saying he is a nazi or he is not.
I seriously doubt that anyone who asks that question doesn’t already have a foregone conclusion, but fine, I’ll indulge you.
Probably not. If he was, and had been hiding it his entire life, even in the era when he was the youtube star and had zero restraint, why would he slip up those few times, and especially such highly public ways?
He did and said some shit in his early 20s, and he deserved the criticism at the time, but those incidents weren’t repeated and weren’t part of a pattern. He wasn’t the paragon of virtue and maturity, but I’m willing to bet my left nut that neither are the people who are lining up to crucify him, and the only difference is that he had an audience. The people who aren’t willing to let go of their prejudices after a decade are equally as immature.
Not the person you’re replying to, but honestly I don’t pay attention to pop culture shit, so I’d ask honestly too, and thanks for providing the explanation, I assumed he had moved on since I heard little of his antics anymore but it’s good to see info. Don’t assume people know things like that. Just assume they don’t and get to be one of todays lucky 10,000. 🙂
In case you aren’t familiar with the lucky 10k, see here.
Yeah I remember when he was a big name doing that shit. Then he recently popped up talking linux. And in between it became a somewhat regular occurrence in my country for people to march with swastika flags. For all I knew it was edgy jokes from an era where fascism was still outside the Overton window, or he just became a low key supporter of modern fascism but without any stunts big enough to get noticed
The discourse goes to the same fucking place every time Felix is mentioned. People don’t deserve the benefit of doubt.
? Who is Felix? Is that pewdipie?
Did this go to the same place?
It’s kind of sad that you’re so terminally online that you think that everyone else must know who the hell this guy is. All I know about him is that he’s some YouTuber I have never watched any of his content nore have I really heard anything about any controversy.
I don’t even know this guy at all and what this is all about. That’s why I didn’t understand your post but it made me curious. Apparently this youtube guy is accused of being a Nazi because of things he said in his 20s which only came out after he became famous?
Honestly, the only drama I’ve ever read about him was the n-word on the bridge situation. Now before I migrated to Lemmy I had a decade and half old account on Reddit that got n-word count botted, and even through all the heated debates & drunken shit posting, I never once dropped so much as the -a ending. But I grew up in an area of lower socioeconomic development, and I was the rare super pasty white boy who used it growing up because that was the common vernacular I heard every day. And I was only ever once confronted about it from someone I didn’t know. But as I started to grow, mature, and expand my social circle I learned how cringey it was (and I still look back on myself in a sense of embarrassment and disgust to this day). I’m just happy that this was early Myspace days, and there are no videos of it floating around.
Now I want to make it perfectly clear, I was not an Xbox live chat edgy shit head. This was the language I heard all around me growing up, so it was an honest adoption.
With that Ted talk out the way. I have only ever seen the bridge video of his, and a late night talk show (Colbert?) interview with him. That is it so I have absolutely no horse in the race. But I do understand how people can grow and change, and it sounds like from what everyone else is saying about him, that he has for the better.
I didn’t know he was a Nazi I just find him annoying.
Leopards don’t change their spots.
People on Lemmy really just suck. So much snobby negativity
You should see reddit or any other mainstream social media for that matter, I assure you it gets much worse. In fact people on lemmy are mosltly normal.
I love this new arc of pewds, unimaginably based. I’m actually interested in watching his videos now after a looong time. The last three tech related ones were great.
I was actually kinda wondering the other day why super large content creators with good cash flow from what they already do, don’t ditch Google and Patreon or anything else that takes a cut to be nothing more than a middleman to accessing the content? They don’t need to host on the same level as YouTube; they could probably make more money hosting their videos on their own website, where they can control what is free or paid for, and can work directly with advertisers themselves.
And how do they get big? How do they get discovered? SEO ?
They’re getting huge because of the platform.
I’m not saying google is not evil but it literally gives them their audience.
I watch YT more than anything else by a mile, and if my top subscription moved to their website, and I had to jump through hoops to watch them on my TV device, by installing a browser or something I probably would stop watching them or watch them way less. Another TV friendly app sure that wouldn’t be a problem, but I don’t see many doing that.
I’m talking about those who have already gotten big, like PewDiePie or Good Mythical Morning (the latter of which started on their own website before youtube even existed, btw). Not the dude who just started a channel last week and has nothing to do shit with.
The lift of running your own platform is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to creating your own video hosting platform.
It’s not that challenging with a partner to help manage infrastructure which even at his scale is not going to cost an obscene amount of money.
Edit: there’s a very massive difference between a single content creator hosting their content and a site hosting everyone’s content like YouTube as well in terms of cost, infrastructure, security and management.
Websites work very well and are scalable af. A plugged in person with a track record like that could go Web 2.0 and probably net more.
You are correct. Websites, the stack to supply video encoding, even scalability is a solved problem.
The hard work isn’t technical, it’s getting people onto your platform in the first place (marketing), getting people to continue using your platform (retention) and the perennial problems of SaaS evolving with other SaaS platforms (how many dev hours are you willing to eat trying to keep up with the Joneses?).
SaaS, and in this case, SaaS offering content, is a losing game. You will either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break. How much of any of those you are willing to take a firehose of is the question.
It’s not easy, but you’re not guaranteed to end up
either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break
It depends on the personalities involved and the business model they go with.
Nebula has done really well with consistent growth as a premium offering where people pay one subscription fee to get ad-free videos from exclusively high-quality creators across a quote broad range of niches, in addition to bonus extras and Nebula Originals.
Dropout seems to have a lot of success with a range of mostly unscripted comedy, centred around a core cast of trusted comedic actors with a larger range of guests.
Floatplane, on the other hand, seems much less successful, probably owing to its business model being basically Patreon’s, but only for video. Instead of the wide range of content you get for surprisingly reasonable amounts of Nebula and Dropout, Floatplane ends up looking very expensive if you want to support more than one or two creators. Plus the creators on it haven’t got the same degree of trust; it ends up reeking of the sort of techbro vibes that people are explicitly trying to get away from.
I’m sure these are accurate statements, but the fact remains that I’ve never heard of dropout or nebula. At all.
And the only reason I’ve heard of floatplane is via LTT and Jeff Geerling, and I don’t actually use the platform itself.
That’s what I mean about inertia, google has it now and can coast for years on people just being lazy and staying with YouTube. That alone will be a loooong hill to climb for any other platforms.
LTT seems to have enough clout and has worked out a survivable business model, but notice that they remain on YouTube to capture and keep new views.
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YouTube still offers them a service in directing them new viewers. The big creators all lose viewers but YouTube funnels replacement views faster than they lose. They could host their own videos but they are gonna see very little growth without Google either in search or with YouTube as they start to lose the base that followed them.
They also won’t be able to negotiate as good as rates for pre-rolls or in video sponsorships as if they were on YouTube.
The only real alternative would be to band together like the creators that are a part of nebula are doing. Hosting on peertube really isn’t an option unless you are independently supported and you are doing it as a passion project and don’t care about audience growth or retention.
Still think building their own site with apps I can throw on my devices is pretty involved.
Yeah, even an established creator is going to have a hard time moving their audience.
If YouTube weren’t a near monopoly it would be different. Then other companies would be competing for creators.
Making it worse is section 1201 of the DMCA. It makes it a crime to circumvent access controls. In the past, Facebook was able to grow by providing tools to interface with MySpace. People didn’t have to abandon their MySpace friends, they could communicate with them through Facebook, and Facebook could ensure that messages sent on its platform arrived to people still on MySpace. But, if you tried that today Facebook has access controls in place that make that a crime. The same applies to YouTube. Nobody can build a seamless “migrate away from YouTube” experience because YouTube will use the DMCA to block them.
The governments of the world need to bring back antitrust with teeth and force interoperability.
They have. Nebula is biggest im aware of, floatplane is another.
Sauce plus and dropout as well. Basically run by youtubers to make content without relying on YouTube. A lot of this is running on pre-existing tech for running a streaming service and I assume it’s dependent on AWS (Amazon) hosting but yeah lots of smaller paid streaming services run by youtubers because YouTube sucks. I believe sauce plus is essentially the same as Floatplane on the backend, they mentioned working with LTT to make it.
Streaming video is expensive. LTT did it with Floatplane, even going so far as to develop their own backend. Watcher and some other YouTubers did it with Vimeo as their backend, but Vimeo still takes a large cut.
At the end of the day, people are doing this, but YouTube still offers a compelling value compared to other platforms. It’s hard to beat their scale, sophistication, and the discoverability of their platform.
Yeah I know some big german youtubers who years ago were like “we need to be more independent from youtube” and set up their own website. Every year the costs for hosting that would take out a huge cut of their earnings, so at the start of 2025 they finally gave up and said they couldnt pour even more money into that project as it simply wasnt profitable.
Well, there is Nebula, which is kinda like that. But most of them also put their videos on YouTube, using Nebula as the premium ad-free option with a little bonus content.
I’m worried about Nebula’s business model being profitable enough to be sustainable in the long term but given their business model includes making every creator on the platform a part-owner of the platform that does limit how bad things can get
From everything I’ve heard, they’re already profitable, and are explicitly choosing only to grow in a sustainable way, without taking on outside investment which could force them into enshittifying down the line. With a relative lack of need to show extreme growth, and a lack of reliance on outside factors like advertising (being subscription-based), the only major risk that I can see for them long-term is user churn. Which is definitely a risk, but with the ever-creeping growth of the range of content they have and (at least for now) an attitude of being customer-friendly, churn seems a relatively low risk.
As far as I can see, at worst, the platform dies if the YouTube channels of the people on the platform die because of the YouTube algorithm, and they get bad churn (with fewer new subscribers because of the aforementioned dead YouTube channels at the top of the funnel), and they don’t get new more successful channels on before that happens. A scenario that’s far from unlikely, but which I would describe as “catastrophic, whether or not Nebula exists today”, so its existence for now as a hedge against more likely bad scenarios is still worthwhile.
That’s super cool. I’d love to know more about Nebula’s business practices, do you know where I could find that information? I’ve seen some interviews with their leadership that didn’t go into anywhere near the depth that I’d like and that’s about it
Most of this comment was my own speculation based on the details they’ve shared publicly. The details I know of publicly are:
- The seem to be profitable. Or at least in a relatively sustainable place; they talk about profit a lot, but usually in terms of how the “profit” is split between creators. I forget, maybe the Wendover “history of Nebula” video from a while back talked more specifically about profitability?
- They’re choosing not to take outside investment. This is something the CEO, Dave Wiskus, talked about particularly with respect to the Lifetime subscriptions, describing those as their option for building up the sort of large amounts of cash that they might otherwise have gone to outside investment for, in order to fund bigger projects
- The fact that they are, quite visibly, expanding their range of content
The rest was me speculating about how the business model would seem to work based on those factors plus my limited, layperson’s, understanding of their industry.
hosting their videos on their own website
I love that entrepreneurial attitude. If an online service is unsatisfactory, just develop your own software from the ground up and provision the infrastructure from your pocket. Car industry sucks? Just build your own car! GPU prices high? Grab a soldering iron and a handful of sand, how hard could it be?
Things are always more complex than they appear. The whole point of services like Youtube and Patreon is to offload that complexity onto the provider in exchange for a fee (or some other form of compensation) from the user. Just look at how many early Lemmy instances have gone offline because of the overwhelming financial or administrative burden. Hate the companies all you like, and by all means look for independent solutions, but don’t pretend they offer no value whatsoever.
There are open source alternatives that already exist.
Putting a video file somewhere and letting 10,000 people watch it at the same time is no small feat.
You could probably get away with doing it on peer tube but it has no facilities to lock people out or make them pay.
Even if you don’t use patreon for payments payments aren’t free.
Because it is really really hard
Literally all of them have tried at some point. But honestly you just end up with a bunch of effectively streaming services that you have to pay for.
I already have hbo, Netflix, krangle + and Hulu and YouTube and now I need «randomyoutuber+» x10 too?
Yeah no thanks
It’s harder then you think.
Man I want to move to Graphene so bad. I want all the google ripped out of my phone.
It was incredibly easy to do and a refurbished pixel 8 is way cheaper than a new phone.
They are also way too small in terms of storage given that they don’t support external cards (Apple is similar). Google/Apple definitely want buyers to also buy their subscription storage services or pay the high premium for the next storage level.
I’m on an XR right now and it feels older, but still very much usable. I wish companies offered options to only get security patches instead of having to buy new phones every few years, that’s the 1 thing I hope Google keeps around and doesn’t walk back in the future.
They come in as high as 512gb and 1tb. I agree that they should have microSD slots, but the builtin storage options are sufficient.
what’s stopping you? was the very first thing I did, don’t regret it for a second – https://ocv.me/b/img/IMG_20230811_121845_049.1ssy.jpg “i’m about to finish setting up my pixel alright” :p
The cost of buying a pixel is the only thing stopping me. I don’t have enough to replace my aging phone with much of anything, let alone a pixel.
You can save quite a bit by getting a refurbished Pixel - looks like the cheapest “Google certified” option (so it comes with a 1-year warranty) is a 6a for $250, which is nearly half off MSRP. I’ve been using my 6a since launch, so it’s been going for 3 years now and I have no desire to upgrade.
You can definitely get cheaper smartphones, but $250 for a 6a feels like a pretty big bang for your buck.
i got 8a for 300 thats prob one of the best deals
I used Swappa to buy my last phone. Not certified, but much cheaper. The condition of phones is “graded,” and the sellers have an incentive to keep their reputation on the platform high. I had good luck, the one time I used it, at least.
When I can afford $250 I’ll keep it in mind. 🙂
I got a pixel 9 for $240 CAD via carrier promotion in Canada.
I held out getting a new phone as long as I could and they offered a new pixel 9 for $5 per month for 24 months
Not to trade in after 24.
It’s mine. For 5$ a month.
When I received it I didn’t turn it on for a week.
Read as much as I could to decide that Google would only ever see the single boot to enable developer mode and enable OEM unlock to flash graphenos.
It seemed intimidating, but the process to install is very smooth.
in that case I would feel comfortable going with a refurb like theloweststone mentioned; pixels are the only(?) android devices which let you swap out the bootloader in a safe manner, so even a phone that’s been in shady hands should be fine if the boot hash matches. And if you know another person with graphene you can do the attestation just to be certain.
but since the future of GrapheneOS is slightly shaky at the moment, I’ve looking at alternatives for when my current device inevitably bites the dust – fairphone and pinephone both look like decent choices at first glance. It’s an unfortunate situation but just gotta roll with it!
Its decent except google amdoid aosp policy changes are screwing it over
Yeah, part of why I want to get one soon is to have a semi recent phone before they can’t do graphene properly anymore
Not being able to do graphene properly will hit everythibg if they screw up aosp i think
Move to Lineage OS or Calyx OS
Don’t be fooled by the Graphene OS Mafia
What do the other two do better?
Lineage OS is a fairly generic ROM based on AOSP so it supports the most devices
Calyx OS is a privacy focused ROM without all the Graphene OS BS. The Graphene OS team and community are quite toxic and have a “my way or the highway” mentality. They don’t support MicroG and focus more on security than privacy and freedom.
Does YouTube vanced/revanced not work on Graphene?
@possiblylinux127 @Tattorack See also this table: https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/comparison-chart-of-grapheneos-divestos-and-calyxos/5618
A bit outdated since Divest is gone (😢), but a core difference is that Graphene prefers proprietary google stuff that is sandboxed and not given any privileges, while Calyx prefers free software versions that might have other issues (eg incomplete, or unsigned coming from third-party sources).
@possiblylinux127 @Tattorack I still stand by this other major difference, though: https://social.ridetrans.it/@Andres4NY/114671239145822442
One million hours in gimp
If there’s an article with words, can you pass it along? I’m not inclined to go on a Google website and listen to someone slowwwwly tell me why Google is bad.
Life’s too short to listen to people who talk slow.
Articles too much time too, so I made you this
- Google bad, tracking sucks
- Android -> graphene
- Keep -> joplin
- Docs -> nextcloud
- Gmail -> proton
- GMaps -> car GPS
- Tailscale
- Selfhosted on SteamDeck
GMaps -> car GPS
What? No. OSM or literally anything else than a fucking car. Stars and sextant.
Because traffic data can’t be obtained without some tracking…
In Japan they have an IR beacon system to track traffic congestion which works anonymously and lets offline car navigation systems have good-quality traffic info.
Great info so that’s why non popular japaneese car app is working great for him
I think it would be cool to do some sort of p2p network
Either way the problem isn’t with the technology, but with how many people in a road junction is using that software.
Thats what Felix said, im personally a fan of OrganicMaps
Investigate CoMaps… There’s some drama around Organic Maps due to bad leadership
It is up to you
Personally I don’t see anything wrong
He emphasized that for him living in Japan and mainly needing to use maps in order to navigate, the japanese car GPS is the best fit.
Which obviously is very different for people in a different situation.
Organic maps rocks
Organic died shortly ago (they’d been enshittifying for a while). We go with CoMaps nowadays.
Can’t say I agree
I think he actually used something else than proton, he didn’t mention though. Except that he uses his own domain name.
I drive believe he has started hosting his own email though
That is very hard to do
I salute anyone who tries but big tech as sort of captured the market.
Not all heros wear capes
- Gmail -> proton
I recommend Tuta over Proton. They’re much more focused on their core product (not making their own crypto wallet or VPN or storage service or password manager), plus Tuta’s leadership has never endorsed US Republicans, unlike Proton’s
I kinda use most of proton’s stuff. Also I’m not on the us so no idea what the second part means
The Proton CEO praised Trump and his control and choices regarding IT and antitrust some months ago. People said it was a “one-off” but then the Proton board backed up the CEO. Writing’s been on the wall for a while.
Tailscale -> Headscale after you get comfy.
It’s on my to-research list. I heard some rumblings that tailscale might go IPO. Not that’s bad by itself but I have been burned by stuff like that leaving me stranded once they “pivot their operations to maximize investor satisfaction” (aka enshittification)
Cars steels more data than google
