thank you!

it’s just as nonsensical as claiming that most bullshit is done by men

no, it is factual? the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men.

what do you mean by “criticising the manosphere”?

Inclusivity would help them understand here.

I agree! My point is this: People choose to self-seggregate because of their, in many cases, valid experiences of discrimination. That’s how it is and it is okay. And instead of blaming them for “isolating” themselves, we should instead strive to create environments where these people feel welcome to be a part of. We cannot do that by invalidating the experiences they have.

so systemic forms of discrimination do not exist in your opinion? your wording seems to imply that there is no actual discrimination/bigotry happening. If that’s what you believe we have no basis to discuss on. We have a different perception of reality.

It’s silly to just claim your community to be inclusive and then invalidate anyone’s experience who feels differently

you,'re right, it’s not okay. But that can be something genuinely difficult to overcome. And it wouldnt be right to blame them the same way we blame bigots who never experienced anything similar.

? what do you even mean?

by “we” I mean everyone who has the ability to do so.

And how is this done… by preventing exclusive communities and only have inclusive communities.

you cannot just claim a community is inclusive. When members in it don’t feel comfortable, then it is not inclusive for them.

We just have to let people who constantly suffer any sort of discrimination have their own space. When they feel welcome outside of it they’ll feel less need to be in their own “exclusive” space. Blaming them for segregating themselves is thinking of it the wrong way.

“Online” and “safe spaces” are oxymorons.

I don’t think they are. The fediverse is a great tool for it. There are servers that have the intention to offer a safe environment for certain identities.

people who face systemic discrimmination often strive to create environments that are safe and respectful for their own group. They don’t do that because they want to be exclusive, but because they don’t have the power to make the spaces they are in respectful and accomodating for them.

So if we have the intention to create inclusive spaces and we have the power to do so, then we shouldn’t go after the ones who segregate themselves to avoid discrimmination, but instead we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.

And internet is telling women it’s men fault.

well they have a point. it’s not all men who do messed up shit, but if messed up shit happens, it is usually because of men.

it does not help that women basically treat men as super-predators.

let’s do without these stupid kinds of generalizations, alright? Very few women actually have resentments towards (all) men. And many of them do so as a result of trauma.