hendrik

Idk about this. I think the main issue is social media and filter bubbles. Generative AI contributes, but enough fakes news is there anyways. People will also use real riot videos from 4 years ago and claim that’s the LA riots. The Russian troll farms can do this with or without AI. Trump, too. They’ll just come up with drinking bleach is good with their own brains.

I don’t want to refute this. Generative AI accelerates it immensely and makes it easier and way more. But mind that the core of the problem is society, education and most of all social media.

Also this isn’t exactly new, we had Cambridge Analytica since 2014 or something. And manipulating elections and politics by technology is even older than that.

I agree a copyright dystopia wouldn’t be any good. Just mind that wild west or law of the jungle is the “right of the strongest”. You’re advantaging big companies and disadvantaging smaller players or people with ethics or who are more open/transparent.

And I don’t think legality with web scraping is the biggest issue. Sure I maybe could do it if it were possible. But I’m occasionally doing some weird stuff and most services have countermeasures in place. In reality I just can’t scrape Reddit. Lot’s of bots and crawlers just don’t work any more. I’m getting rate limited left and right from all big platforms. Lots of things require an account these days, and services are quick banning me for “suspicious activity”. It’s barely possible to download Youtube videos these days. So, no. I can’t. While Google can just pay for it and have the data.

Also Reddit isn’t really the benevolent underdog here. They’re a big company as well. And they’re not selling their data… They’re selling their user’s data. They’re mainly monetizing other people’s creations.

Well, copyright law is kind of a bit older. When it was written, there was no AI. So it doesn’t address our current issues. It’s utterly unprepared for it. So people need to shoehorn things in, interpret and stretch it… Obviously that comes with a lot of issues, loopholes and shortcomings.

But I can’t follow your argumentation. Why would they get away with this forever? When the car was invented, we also made up rules for cars, because the old ones for horses didn’t help any more. That’s how law is supposed to work… Problems surface, laws get passed to address them. That’s daily business for governments.

And they don’t even get away with stealing this time. That’s what the article says.

If you want to share a pessimistic perspective about governments and mega-corporations, I’m all with you. That’s very problematic. But some regions are better than others. Europe for example had a few clever ideas about what needs to be addressed. It’s not perfect, though. And copyright still isn’t solved anywhere. At least not to my knowledge.

I agree that we need open-source and emancipate ourselves. The main issue I see is: The entire approach doesn’t work. I’d like to give the internet as an example. It’s meant to be very open, connect everyone and enable them to share information freely. It is set up to be a level playing field… Now look what that leads to. Trillion dollar mega-corporations, privacy issues everywhere and big data silos. That’s what the approach promotes. I agree with the goal. But in my opinion the approach will turn out to lead to less open source and more control by rich companies. And that’s not what we want.

Plus nobody even opens the walled gardes. Last time I looked, Reddit wanted money for data. Other big platforms aren’t open either. And there’s kind of a small war going on with the scrapers and crawlers and anti-measures. So it’s not as if it’s open as of now.

Agreed. And even if it were, it’s always like this. Anthropic is a big company. They likely have millions available for good lawyers. While the small guy hasn’t. So they’re more able to just do stuff and do away with some legal restrictions. Or just pay a fine and that’s pocket change for them. So big companies always have more options than the small guy.

Yes. But then do something about it. Regulate the market. Or pass laws which address this. I don’t really see why we should do something like this then, it still kind of contributes to the problem as free reign still advantages big companies.

(And we can write in law whatever we like. It doesn’t need to be a stupid and simplistic solution. If you’re concerned with big companies, just write they have to pay a lot and small companies don’t. Or force everyone to open their models. That’s all options which can be formulated as a new rule. And those would address the issue at hand.)

I’m fairly certain this is the correct answer here. Also there is a seperation between judicative and legislative. It’s the former which is involved, but we really need to bother the latter. It’s the only way, unless we want to use 18th century tools on the current situation.

Keep in mind this isn’t about open-weight vs other AI models at all. This is about how training data can be collected and used.

Previous discussion from yesterday about the same topic: https://lemmy.world/post/31923154

You’re a genius. I hadn’t even thought about that… 🏆

Sure. It could do your summer vacation including those nasty traffic jams without your participation. Send back a few pictures from important landmarks and monuments, all the while you sit in front of your computer in your air conditioned home like the hacker in the video. Dead landscape might be another option. I’m not sure how the processing power of a Nissan compares to a Mars rover 😅 Maybe it needs to drive very slow to be able to keep up with the incoming sensor data, or due to delay…

Wow, super impressive. Now we need a live video feed from some forward facing camera to give some FPV perspective and a gamepad. And with some more clever hacks, the Leaf could become something like a Mars rover.

This would be better suited in some casual ranting community. Or one concerned with tech bros. I think it’s completely off topic here.

I’m not sure whose reading skills are not on par… But that’s what I get from the article. They’ll face consequences for stealing them. Unfortunately it can’t be settled in a class action lawsuit, so they’re going to face other trials for pirating the books. And they won’t get away with this.

That almost sounds right, doesn’t it? If you want 5 million books, you can’t just steal/pirate them, you need to buy 5 million copies. I’m glad the court ruled that way.

I feel that’s a good start. Now we need some more clear regulation on what fair use is and what transformative work is and what isn’t. And how that relates to AI. I believe as it’s quite a disruptive and profitable business, we should maybe make those companies pay some extra. Not just what I pay for a book. But the first part, that “stealing” can’t be “fair” is settled now.

I don’t have good first hand experience, but i know the Awesome Selfhosted list has a plethora of them.

https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ from KDE? I’m not sure if they’ve replaced that since. Wikipedia says it’s unmaintained. Depending on your use-case, you might want to have a look at Emulationstation, Steam Big Picture and Kodi Plugins, as well.