Sickday

You might have a point if those people had no choice

Yes exactly and I may haved leaned on that a bit to make my point here. I worked at an MSP where 90% of their clients had the exact setup I mentioned, so workers had no choice but to run TeamViewer. The company would refuse any other recommendations specifically because it had already paid for a number of perpetual licenses and (at least at the time) free alternatives were limited. It was really awful even back then (~2015ish).

And for what it’s worth, I also agree that TeamViewer is an awful company and the software itself is awful, and of course if you can help it don’t fucking use it today lol.

The argument is that anyone still using TeamViewer deserves this, and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted bym this change so it’s irrelevant.

That’s your argument, and I disagree with it. I’ve already shared why.

and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted by this change so it’s irrelevant.

This is also wrong. Having the license revoked means the people who had one can’t use it at all whether they were using it or not. Let’s set aside that you shouldn’t advocate or endorse a company selling a product, shitting the bed, then revoking the product from those that already paid for it.

You’d be surprised, but there’s tons of small companies and organizations that rely solely on viewing software, some ancient version of Windows Server, and a remote toaster for administration still to this day. Those people are directly impacted by this.

I don’t think they deserve a license revocation because I don’t think any company should be able to take back a product that a user has purchased for no cited reason. Which is the case here.

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It doesn’t matter when they purchased the license because the fact they’re still using it means they deserve it

Sure it does. I have a Jetbrains perpetual license that I use daily. If they suddenly started enshittifying, and then decided to revoke my fallback licenses in 10 years, they’d be up for a number of lawsuits because that’s illegal.

End users don’t deserve to have their licenses revoked because a company went to shit over time. They’re in no control of that. And I made 0 arguments about people using Teamviewer today because that was never part of my point.

Anyone that isn’t deeply investigating the company or individual making a remote access product prior to using it does deserve what they get in the same way someone handing the keys to their house to a complete stranger they know nothing about would deserve whatever happened to the

I’ve already agreed with this opinion:

I’d agree if this post was about Teamviewer being breached once again. In that case, yes the end users who have stuck with them throughout numerous data breaches have very little room to complain when it happens again.

But it feels like you may have missed my actual point. Again, this post is about a change to perpetual licensing. People that purchased their license back when TeamViewer was a proprietary alternative to VNC, long before it became obvious that TeamViewer wasn’t a great company, (think 2008), don’t suddenly deserve licensing changes. Hard stop. These are the users that are affected the most by this change because they’ve held their perpetual licenses the longest. In addition, TeamViewer stopped selling perpetual licenses years ago, so the bulk of users with one today are likely to be older users. Why do they suddenly deserve this?

negligence doesn’t mean they deserve it

This is why I asked in the first place; negligence == they deserve it seems to be the basis of everyone who has replied to me lol.

It’s also weird to me because everyone is citing awful data protection (numerous data breaches, and even your link to easily compromised credentials) as the reason end users deserves their Licenses being revoked.

I’d agree if this post was about Teamviewer being breached once again. In that case, yes the end users who have stuck with them throughout numerous data breaches have very little room to complain when it happens again. But this is a Licensing change. It has nothing to do with their shitty data protection practices.

Further, these are perpetual licenses. It’s very likely that many of them were purchased years ago when Teamviewer was a lot more popular. To say that people deserve their perpetual licenses getting revoked because a company enshittified over time is silly buddy.

With you. These are people who didn’t “accidentally fall for the propaganda trap”. No they voted for this, not once, not twice, but 3 times.