The best US propaganda has always been the arts. Music, movies, literature and games. Replace it with AI and you get the type of slopaganda that doesn‘t really work. Especially since everyone can do it. The USA is just paving it‘s way further into irrelevancy.
“Overseas”
yeah right. overseas.
Oh no my Foucault Boomerang just hit me square on the nose
“overseas”
“interested in acquiring”
it’s nice when the the comment you came to make is sitting proudly at the top of the thread.
Absolutely, they already do in USA, but the rest of the world is more complex with a multitude of different local conditions to exploit, and requires way more work and sophisticated methodology to work, so AI would be an even bigger help for making US propaganda for foreign countries.
If they were planning on “attacking” Russia that has been extremely hostile themselves, I wouldn’t have a problem. But Trump is looking to attack traditional allies with propaganda and is making them enemies!! That’s what happened to Tesla when Musk supported AfD, and now Tesla sales are plummeting in all of EU, more than anywhere else! Except Norway that for some reason is mostly unaffected, and continue to happily buy Tesla Swasticars?
Most of Europe already no longer consider USA a reliable ally! And Trump continues to make it worse. Handing global dominance to the Chinese on a silver platter.
I wonder if most of europe believes they could successfully fight a war against Russia, USA, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria… etc. I know Europe doesn’t/didn’t want to help the US avoid their current fascist dictatorship, so I wonder what they imagine the result would be in conflict against the new axis of evil.
It is not allies that are alienating USA, it’s the other way around. Apparently USA believe they don’t need allies, because they are acting hostile against everybody, even their closest allies, while being friendly to Russia!!
Neither USA or EU stand a chance against China alone, we need to cooperate, but USA is not cooperating they are being confrontational and undermining EU and just about every other ally even Canada which for decades has been the closest ally to USA, and helped USA every single time USA called for it. So has Denmark, yet USA threaten to take Greenland!!Stop grouping the American people in with the President, most of us didn’t vote for him.
Edit: The government is doing this, not us. The fucker rigged an election and Russian bots have given the deceptive impression that it’s a larger percentage of people that support the president.
If you really think 40% of us voted for this shit, you’re dumb enough to fall for Russian propaganda.
I visited the US (small town in NY) in 2022 and every other lawn had a bunch of small Trump flags. Not even a presidential election year.
I fully believe a large share of the country voted for him at this point. Doesn’t mean that he’s absolved of fuckery in swing states
Yeah, you visited some bumfuck small town, that’s where they hide 🙄
I mean yeah, but look how many of those towns there are
Don’t deflect. Fix.
I have to work everyday and I’m homeless, fuck you
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It’s hard to fix the problem when MAGAts are fucking morons. My dipshit moron uncle tried that shit on me recently, and tried to compare “what we’ve suffered the last 4 years” as if the fascist authoritarian crackdowns we are seeing are anywhere near anything under Biden.
These people are willingly and gladly stupid/ignorant and refuse anything that refutes the inaccurate worldview in their heads. I’m trying when I can, but talking to these dumbasses is infuriating at times (probably intentionally to keep people from being able to disabuse them of their ignorance).
Correction: Magats and tankies.
First of all, I hate what’s happened to the US, but with that said…
There was a good decade or so where Russia was running a pretty obvious disinfo campaign against US citizens while literally setting up a Manchurian candidate in Donald trump. We already know to some extent that Europe had intel on the situation and really didn’t do jack shit to try and prevent what has turned into Russian backed dictatorship.
So I disagree with you on the subject of alienation. I would argue that the EU set itself up to be alienated through its inaction.
On the subject of allies, I don’t think there is a single person in the US that really believes it doesn’t need allies. The US has just traded its western allies for eastern ones. Trump has been cozying up to other dictators around the world since his first term. These days he’s very friendly with Putin.
So again, I disagree with you.
And I find it pretty fucking hilarious that you’re talking about the US cooperating with the EU when the EU has done fuck all to help prevent what’s happened to it. If there is war between these nations, there is almost no way the US will be allied with the EU. The US is a dictatorship and it will ally itself with other dictatorships.
The thinking that any of the current fallout in the US is foreign-led is not giving any good explanations for the reality we observe and therefore procides no good solutions. What you’re observing is primarily driven by the oligarch class in the US finding new ways to extract profit. That drives everything. It drives Fox, it drives the Heritage Foundation, it drives turning both parties in oligarch-serving machines. External factors are only helping accelerate it a bit. Feeding this machine with resources from the outside is a bad idea since most of those resources would be captured by the oligatchs. The only way out of this is to get an internal populist left movement to curb their power, reposses most of their resources and redestribute them to the masses.
If you don’t think it was foreign led then you have no idea what you’re talking about. It has been entirely led by Russia. Yes the oligarchs in the US have been a part of it, but they were unified and driven together by Russian interference in US politics. You want to ignore the part that Russia played in this, then you choose to rewrite history.
And your “only way out of this” – why don’t you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.
Oligarchs have been unified by their pursuit for profit long before Russia became able to push any sort of effective propaganda to Americans. The Heritage Foundation that peddles these ideas did not emerge from Russian interference in 2016. Neither did Fox whose entire purpose is peddling domestic oligarch propaganda. Neither did the Chicago School of Economics anti-worker takeover of national economic policy. US oligarchs did not offshore middle class jobs or bust unions on Russian advice. This has been going on for a lot longer than the last decade. The pushback started as a result of FDR’s redistribution policies that cut US oligarch wealth in the aftermath of the Great Depression. First slowly, then more quickly.
And your “only way out of this” – why you don’t you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.
Campaign, donate and vote for “far-left” D candidates at every gov’t level - like AOC, Zohran, etc. Campaign, donate and vote for “far-left” independent candidatss where there’s no such candidates in that district. Join a union. Join a local socialist org. Eventually you’d tilt the balance of power in various gov’t institutions. Whenever you do that, you tax the rich to death. But that goes without saying cause every “far-left” candidate has that on their agenda.
E: FWIW, was where you are in my thinking a few years ago. I didn’t know as much about the historical development of econimic policy in the US, who drove it, who got richer, who got poorer, what tools were being used to do one or the other.
E2: And in case it isn’t clear how taxing the rich to death solves the problem, it deprives them from the money they need to buy the democratic system. It puts that money back into the majority’s pockets. Politicians have to fight for that money and therefore go back to serving the majority. They start passing the laws that you want passed. Like curbing online propaganda from both Zuckerberg and Putin. And many others that serve you instead of Bezos.
If on the other hand you eliminate all foreign propagnda with a magic wand today, all domestic propaganda will remain. Democratic control will remain in the hands of the oligarchs. They would keep making Americans poorer and poorer while scapegoating yet another group or actor. The most impoverished would completely lose faith in the democratic system because it no longer solves their problems. When the oligarchs propose a candidate who promises to solve the poverty (they themselves created) by dismantling democracy (since democracy is the only nonviolent tool that can strip them of their wealth), the desperate would vote for that. As FDR, and many others have explained a century ago.
when the EU has done fuck all to help prevent what’s happened to it.
Oh boy the ignorance of that statement is so immense I don’t even know where to begin.
First of all the cooperation of 28 countries to prevent war among themselves is far from not doing jack shit. Secondly EU has worked hard to avoid war through cooperation, but not as much militarily to end them. But still most European countries have been at the side of USA when they asked for it.I’m sorry, your narrow ignorant perspective is simply not a level I really care to debate at.
WHAT FUCKING COOPERATION!?
I’m the ignorant one??? what the fuck did the EU do to help the US with obvious Russian interference in their politics? If you’re truly not ignorant, like you say you aren’t, then you could see what was happening. With Russia literally installing a russian asset into the US presidency. What the fuck did the EU do to prevent that?? Fucking nothing.
And this idea that the US was the isolationist one in this situation, when the EU literally just watched as Putin Installed a dictator of his choosing, while sitting on their metaphorical hands, is completely hypocritical.
How do you imagine it’s the EU responsibility to protect USA against Russian interference? And should have special knowledge about it to protect USA that wasn’t supplied? That simply doesn’t make any sense at all.
USA is supposed to be the “intelligence” superpower, having a huge spy network with facilities spread out among allies, and I know for a fact my own country has helped USA a lot on intelligence. and is a 7 eyes member. We were also the ones warning about nuclear weapons being on the way to Cuba back in the 60’s. And we have allowed US military on Greenland.Why would we know more about Russian interference than USA themselves? But apart from that the Steele Dossier was from UK, and it clearly indicated Trump is a Russian asset, but the Americans have ignored ALL proof that Trump is obviously compromised, and elected him not just once but twice.
For instance I know one who was in the Danish marine, and they had top secret American spy equipment on board, that was kept secret also from Denmark, with no knowledge about what the equipment was, and what intelligence was gathered. Still that was allowed because USA was considered an ally.
One more insane comment like the 2 before and I block you.
It wasn’t the EU’s role to defend our internal politics. It was ours.
And we were also trying to be careful. More careful than we should have been.
The goal was to remain as non-partisan as possible while giving the public enough info to make the right decision. We all failed in that.
Yeah we failed because we didn’t use all avenues available to us. Including insisting upon the resources of our supposed allies. Although I feel those resources should have been volunteered considering the clear and present danger to our democracy and the fact that these NATO states were supposed to be our allies. instead we got next to nothing.
This alliance has felt incredibly one sided and at this point, with the US being heavily controlled by Russia I almost feel like Europe is just reaping what its sown. If there is a war in europe, europe will suffer, and it is their own faults for being willfully isolationist.
What the actual fuck is “Europe doesn’t/didn’t want to help the US avoid their current fascist dictatorship” supposed to mean ?
What exactly do you think European countries should have done to stop Mango Mussolini being elected ?
Send in German troops to the red states to stand next to the ballot boxes and turn away MAGA voters ?
Send Keir Starmer to hand out leaflets for Harris at the Walmart in ButteFuck Wyoming ?
You dumb fucks voted for him, we can’t fix that for you. We certainly can’t send military in - the US has spent 50 years persuading and forcing the EU to be militarily weak (and 10 years bitching about the consequences of their own diplomatic efforts)
Piss off with this idiocy.
I’m sick to death of these ignorant fucking comments. I see them, I block. Read about what the US did for its european allies during the cold war to get some semblance of an idea, beyond that I couldn’t give two shits for your opinions.
They funded right wing terrorism right?
WW3 be like:
It’s deekseek the new Grindr?
It just happened that Trump discredited all previous US propaganda. So much resources invested to make the US look good, and it’s all gone.
You don’t necessarily have to make yourself look good if you make the other guy look worse.
This is so true. 😄
We just have to accept that USA under Republicans is a hostile country, and try to take precautions.
I really resent the implication that democrats are any different in this respect.
They absolutely are, they are still pandering to wall street, but they are not fascist they believe in democracy, and they don’t undermine allies, they don’t plan to take health care away from Americans, and on average they are not nearly as corrupt as the Republicans.
Claiming there is no difference is decidedly moronic and harmful to progress in USA, and a major part of the problems USA are in. USA now has a decidedly authoritarian government, democrats would never have been nearly as bad.
Just don’t pretend the Democratic Party aren’t captured opposition. It’s not a monolith, but the faction with power in the DNC are more interested in losing to the Republicans than letting the wrong people win.
I think they are scared little pussies who are afraid that if they let the left dominate the party, it will be a slippery slope to communism, and the American economy will collapse. The democrats fear change.
Despite clearly Social Democracy like Bernie or AOC is nothing of the sort. Denmark is mostly Social Democrat, and so are the other Scandinavian countries, and the freedom here is way above USA, and the wealth above what most comparable countries have achieved.Now they got the Republicans doing in ½ a year, exactly what they feared the left might have done in 20.
they believe in
democracytheir own power, theydon’t undermine alliesalso support genocide, they don’tplan to take health caredo shit to provide public healthcareOk but when did I ever say that they are equally bad or anything of the like? I said very specifically “the democrats are not any better in this respect”.
In this respect.
Once more: In this respect.
Reading comprehension.
Also partisanship of any kind is disgusting. Thats the real problem in American politics, the abhorrent tribalism fed by the two party system. No progress will happen while you continue to feed this system because both sides are not willing to solve the underlying root issues. Both just want to put bandaids on problems and continue to preserve their power. If the democrats know they will always have your vote no matter what, they have no reason to fix any issues. Which is why for the past few decades they have solved jack shit. So vote democrat but just like MAGA isn’t afraid to vote out their so called RINOs you should not be afraid to put a boot in the ass of democrats that only serve corporate interests.
Republicans are absolutely worse ESPECIALLY in this respect, which was USA being a hostile country now.
This especially goes towards allies, which we considered ourselves to be, since I’m from the EU. But Trump has treated every single fucking ally as if they were the enemy of USA.All the things he does, are exactly the same a Russian asset under Putin would do.
Clearly trust with allies improved greatly under Obama and Biden, and deteriorated under Bush and Trump.
Problem is that with Trump 2, I’m not sure there’s a way back anymore.So you repeat your stupid mantra like a child as much as you want , the lack of comprehension is clearly on your side.
This means they have already acquired this and are currently using it, and have been for years
What is wrong with using the best of psychological warfare to manipulate people? - A question the US government never asked.
Imagine a maddening voice
coming out of the sockets in your house
the only way it will ever stop
is to go scorched earth
and you find a way that isn’t violent,
not nukes, not viruses just something unanticipated
something you can’t even point a gun at and destroy
that makes “it” all end somehow
Surprised this isn’t already a thing. Any mainstream social network is very very soon going to be completely useless for political discourse.
Any mainstream social network is very very soon going to be completely useless
Still fun for entertainment, grab popcorn, read comments, enjoy! 🫠
Of course. Why let Russia and China have the monopoly on making the world a worse place.
A bit late to the party.
